U.S. Blames Pakistan-Based Group for Attack on Embassy in Kabul

[Averageamerican]

9/11? current situation is so far away from that event, what you see now has nothing do with 9/11, rather US face saving and blaming it's errors/failures on Pakistan.....

besides we were supposed to see a war of reconciliation, a war for peace right? we got a war of revenge instead... well done to you!

Original Post By Jungibaaz

I dont think you can make peace with muslems, I have no hopes of peace, I cont think Muslems can even exist in the modren world, they have to turn the clock back to a more premitive era to survive.

"Where Islam operates, it is not only supreme in the religious sphere, it also demands dominion over society, politics, commerce, justice – indeed the whole spectrum of human experience. Look at the leading Islamic theocracies (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran) to see examples of what an Islamic society looks like. These are NOT poor and impoverished countries. They command extraordinary wealth and yet their societies are almost completely bereft of the spirit of modernity. This happens because Islam is not just behind times – it is opposed to being up with times." Opposed to modernity

It would be one thing to be backward because one was left behind in the great race toward development. But is quite another to oppose modernity even when it has arrived at the main-gates. The Islamic world is still dominated by Kings, Sultans and Emirs. Clearly, modernity has revealed better (though not perfect) governmental structures than hereditary monarchy. Most muslim-majority countries have not even adopted a 20th century governmental system – much less a 21st century one. In contrast,
Islam : Backward and proud of it! « Mind Droppings

[Ahmad]

Why dont you ask Saddam or Osama Bin Laden or a lot of the rest of the leadership of the Taliban about US empty threats.

As far as I am concerned we have killed Osama Bin Laden, we have a pretty good network of spies in that part of the world by now, we have the drones and can have a 1000 more if we need them, we should just designate Pakistan as a terrorist failed state, cut all aid and ties, ban all imigration and travel, hopefully we can get NATO countries to go along and let Pakistan go their way with the understanding any attacks on the USA from Pakistan is going result in hell to pay. Theres really not much more we can do with Pakistan any way. Like most Americans I am tired of fooling with them.

Original Post By Averageamerican

bla bla bla bla bla bla, and still the al qaeda and taliban are strong. what have you gained from the killing of Bin Ladeen? he was one person.

[Averageamerican]

bla bla bla bla bla bla, and still the al qaeda and taliban are strong. what have you gained from the killing of Bin Ladeen? he was one person.

Original Post By Ahmad

A great deal of Satisfaction, and al qada and the taliban would be a lot stronger if the US did not have the courage to do something about terrorist. I am proud of the US for having the courage to go into Pakistan and takeing Osama out and for removing the goverments of Afgan and Iraq. I am proud of the fact that the USA went into Iraq and Afgan with with only a couple hundred thousand troops, took out the military with out any effort at all, excuted their leaders, replaced their backward goverments and occupied Iraq and Afgan with populations of 70 million backward muslems for ten years with the loss of only about 5000 soldiers.

[Ahmad]

A great deal of Satisfaction, and al qada and the taliban would be a lot stronger if the US did not have the courage to do something about terrorist.

Original Post By Averageamerican

you are saying well done to yourself.

[superkaif]

A great deal of Satisfaction, and al qada and the taliban would be a lot stronger if the US did not have the courage to do something about terrorist. I am proud of the US for having the courage to go into Pakistan and takeing Osama out and for removing the goverments of Afgan and Iraq. I am proud of the fact that the USA went into Iraq and Afgan with with only a couple hundred thousand troops, took out the military with out any effort at all, excuted their leaders, replaced their backward goverments and occupied Iraq and Afgan with populations of 70 million backward muslems for ten years with the loss of only about 5000 soldiers.

Original Post By Averageamerican

The 5000 soldiers lives that the USA have lost for the sake of people like you to talk so big on forums like this. Bet their families dont share the same sentiments as you. I think to generalize people like you have about 70 million muslims is unreasonable but will respect your opinion. You still after 10 years dont know your ar*e from your elbow in Afghanistan and in Iraq you have entered under false pretences saying they had weapons of mass self destruction when they didnt. If you want to generalize about a race i suppose one can say you are similar to this.

American charged in sex abuse of Haitian children
or perhaps
BBC News | AMERICAS | 'Most wanted' paedophile arrested
or perhaps
Murderous

Let me know which one suits your description.

On topic

Unless there is substantial proof of the accusations and insinuations then the USA should shut up.

[Jungibaaz]

I dont think you can make peace with muslems, I have no hopes of peace, I cont think Muslems can even exist in the modren world, they have to turn the clock back to a more premitive era to survive.

Original Post By Averageamerican

I don't think anyone can make peace with backwards republicans of the US either... but hey.... can't teach on old dog new tricks, eh?

"Where Islam operates, it is not only supreme in the religious sphere

'Turkey'.... sorry to piss on your parade.

it also demands dominion over society, politics, commerce, justice – indeed the whole spectrum of human experience.

Untrue... if it was it'd be Islamic law... you obviously don't know the difference

you've shown what kind of knowledge you have of Islam, you've also shown where the BS you post originates from.... this is yet another brain fart!

Look at the leading Islamic theocracies (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran) to see examples of what an Islamic society looks like. These are NOT poor and impoverished countries. They command extraordinary wealth and yet their societies are almost completely bereft of the spirit of modernity. This happens because Islam is not just behind times – it is opposed to being up with times." Opposed to modernity

modernity?

Now... AA, lad you've shown your IQ level here quite clearly, and you've shown your knowledge of the world outside your backyard (it seems to originate from, biased fox news stories, nyt but only partially, a massive dose of Glenn Beck and a bunch of red neck bloggers, with a hint of prejudice and insecurity)

modernity? is it nessecary? one cannot prosper without being modern? or western should I say?

Grow up mate and learn a damn thing or two!

It would be one thing to be backward because one was left behind in the great race toward development. But is quite another to oppose modernity even when it has arrived at the main-gates. The Islamic world is still dominated by Kings, Sultans and Emirs. Clearly, modernity has revealed better (though not perfect) governmental structures than hereditary monarchy. Most muslim-majority countries have not even adopted a 20th century governmental system – much less a 21st century one. In contrast,

again.... we don't need to be a western society in order to prosper.... you have a very naive view of the world.

Islam : Backward and proud of it! « Mind Droppings

'mind droppings'

this is spot on!

you see....? i knew my brain fart comments about post had to have some link with a blog called mind droppings!!!!

[Jungibaaz]

A great deal of Satisfaction, and al qada and the taliban would be a lot stronger if the US did not have the courage to do something about terrorist. I am proud of the US for having the courage to go into Pakistan and takeing Osama out and for removing the goverments of Afgan and Iraq. I am proud of the fact that the USA went into Iraq and Afgan with with only a couple hundred thousand troops, took out the military with out any effort at all, excuted their leaders, replaced their backward goverments and occupied Iraq and Afgan with populations of 70 million backward muslems for ten years with the loss of only about 5000 soldiers.

Original Post By Averageamerican

OBL? don't get me started... I saw American street parties, patriotic chants, anti-Islam and anti-arab slogans being thrown around.....

and for what??? the killing one washed up poster child of an organization that cost you 10 years, 2 wars, trillions of dollars, many lost allies, lost image, and many that sympathized with the US have changed because US have got their revenge, not in the way of a upright modern democracy but in the form of a blood-thirsty guns blazing revenge campaign.....

only lost 5k soldiers?
Are you really an American? Are you!?

I know plenty of Americans and Brits that would quite honestly have your @SS for belittling the losses of their loved ones and for stating their loved ones who have passed away to be nothing more then ammunition....

shame on you!

[Averageamerican]

The 5000 soldiers lives that the USA have lost for the sake of people like you to talk so big on forums like this. Bet their families dont share the same sentiments as you. I think to generalize people like you have about 70 million muslims is unreasonable but will respect your opinion. You still after 10 years dont know your ar*e from your elbow in Afghanistan and in Iraq you have entered under false pretences saying they had weapons of mass self destruction when they didnt. If you want to generalize about a race i suppose one can say you are similar to this.

American charged in sex abuse of Haitian children
or perhaps
BBC News | AMERICAS | 'Most wanted' paedophile arrested
or perhaps
Murderous

Let me know which one suits your description.

On topic

Unless there is substantial proof of the accusations and insinuations then the USA should shut up.

Original Post By superkaif

Saddam needed killing and I am proud of the fact the US had the courage to do it, and according to polls most Irakis are glad Saddam and his goverment is gone.

[Averageamerican]

I don't think anyone can make peace with backwards republicans of the US either... but hey.... can't teach on old dog new tricks, eh?


'Turkey'.... sorry to piss on your parade.


Untrue... if it was it'd be Islamic law... you obviously don't know the difference

you've shown what kind of knowledge you have of Islam, you've also shown where the BS you post originates from.... this is yet another brain fart!



modernity?

Now... AA, lad you've shown your IQ level here quite clearly, and you've shown your knowledge of the world outside your backyard (it seems to originate from, biased fox news stories, nyt but only partially, a massive dose of Glenn Beck and a bunch of red neck bloggers, with a hint of prejudice and insecurity)

modernity? is it nessecary? one cannot prosper without being modern? or western should I say?

Grow up mate and learn a damn thing or two!



again.... we don't need to be a western society in order to prosper.... you have a very naive view of the world.


'mind droppings'

this is spot on!

you see....? i knew my brain fart comments about post had to have some link with a blog called mind droppings!!!!

Original Post By Jungibaaz

This was not by fox news it was by a guy from India. Even the ex president of Pakistan says your the poorest most backward people in the world aqnd you think Muslems are prospering, thats what you call stupid.

And would you rather be from the USA where you know you are going to kick some ones ass if your country is attacked or from India where you know they are not going to do anything. Would you be prouder of the your county if they went in to the middle of Pakistan and killed the master mind of the 911 plot or of your county if it did nothing.

[Averageamerican]

OBL? don't get me started... I saw American street parties, patriotic chants, anti-Islam and anti-arab slogans being thrown around.....

and for what??? the killing one washed up poster child of an organization that cost you 10 years, 2 wars, trillions of dollars, many lost allies, lost image, and many that sympathized with the US have changed because US have got their revenge, not in the way of a upright modern democracy but in the form of a blood-thirsty guns blazing revenge campaign.....

only lost 5k soldiers?
Are you really an American? Are you!?

I know plenty of Americans and Brits that would quite honestly have your @SS for belittling the losses of their loved ones and for stating their loved ones who have passed away to be nothing more then ammunition....

shame on you!

Original Post By Jungibaaz

I am not belittling the loss of American Soldiers, just the fact that Muslems cant fight and a couple hundred thousands americans can take out the military and occupy two countries with a combined population of over 70 milliion people. Muslems might make good murders but they are piteful as soldiers.

[superkaif]

Saddam needed killing and I am proud of the fact the US had the courage to do it, and according to polls most Irakis are glad Saddam and his goverment is gone.

Original Post By Averageamerican

Can you answer the question. Please tell me what you have most in commen? I sense to save your blushes i reckon its the middle one young man! lol
Dont worry i wont tell anyone. Its only a forum.

[Averageamerican]

Can you answer the question. Please tell me what you have most in commen? I sense to save your blushes i reckon its the middle one young man! lol
Dont worry i wont tell anyone. Its only a forum.

Original Post By superkaif

Are you compareing american child abuse to Muslems countries like Pakistan.

By Richard Galpin in Pakistan
A new report on attitudes to child sex abuse in Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province paints a horrifying picture of widespread abuse.

The report shows that many of the population believe that the sexual abuse of young boys is a matter of pride.



Richard Galpin reports on the horrifying tales of sexual abuse and what is being done
The United Nations is shortly to publish the first nation-wide survey on child sex-abuse in Pakistan - an acutely sensitive subject in this deeply conservative Islamic country.

The first indications of the scale of the problem have been revealed in this early report from North-West Frontier Province.

It shows that one third of those who took part in the survey did not even believe that child sexual abuse was a bad thing - let alone a crime.
DISGUSTING
The UN believes the sexual abuse of young children is widespread in some areas of the country but that until now it has been hidden behind a wall of silence.

In Pakistan much of the population lives in squalid slums where children are forced to play their part in the day to day survival of the family. That means working in places such as the notorious Pirwadhai bus station in Rawalpindi.



Poor children need to take every opportunity to make money on the streets
Here there are hundreds of young boys at work in the grimy workshops and sleazy hotels on which the bus station's reputation is based. For this is a centre of child sexual abuse.

One boy told me that local hotels encouraged the trade: "The hotel-owners employ children who are used to attract customers. The customers are then told what kind of services are provided and that they can do what they want with the children. The hotels here are very well known for these services. And it's good money for us."

Their clients are men from all backgrounds - travelling from one part of the country to another - thus freed from the constraints of life at home in this conservative society. With girls mostly kept at home - they prey on these working boys who are extremely vulnerable to abuse.

Although at present there is little data on child sexual abuse in Pakistan, experts such as the clinical psychologist, Kamran Ahmad, believe it is widespread:

"There is a lot of repression of sexuality so what happens is that is shows up in unhealthy forms. You rarely find healthy expressions of sexuality in everyday life so sexual abuse becomes very common"

For the victims it is a terrifying ordeal. A boy told us how he had been raped when he was just 7 years old. He said the men in his village were like dogs - 'they would eat you like a dog' he said. 'It was not safe for any young fair-skinned boy to go out alone. It was a tradition to molest boys'.

According to the report many people in Frontier Province are also well aware that men in the area keep boys specifically for sex.



The Pirwadhai bus station is notorious as a base of the child sex trade
All this seems to be a result of the rigid segregation of men and women in Pakistan, which is most seriously enforced in the Pashtoon areas of the North. Under Pashtoon culture it is very difficult for a young man to interact with the opposite sex - particularly in the rural areas.

Young boys therefore become the targets of abuse.

But the government is starting to recognise the issue. The Secretary at the Ministry of Women's Development and Social Welfare, Muzzafar Quresh, says : "We're beginning to realise that it is a serious problem.

"We've initiated several studies to try to measure the extent and there's also some evidence coming out about what happens to children and the need for greater attention to rehabilitate them and to bring them back to a normal social life."

But in reality only a handful of organisations are helping children at risk of being exploited and abused. The subject is still far too hidden for there to be a concerted campaign to rescue the many victims.

The publication of the nationwide survey on child sexual abuse is a critical test for both the government and Pakistani society as a whole.

It will prompt painful introspection - but the hope is that it will lead to positive reform.

BBC News | South Asia | Pakistan's wall of silence on child abuse
DISGUSTING