Indian air power 2025

[Vidyanshu Shekhar Jha]

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mig 29 will be retired after the induction of fgfa.

links please friend.

[Vidyanshu Shekhar Jha]

here is my estimation

PLA:


J20:200-300

J10B:250-300

J10A:200

JXX:150-250

J11B/J16/J17:<200

J11A/Su30MKK:100-150

J15:<100

carrier-based JXX:50-100

JH7&J8<100




PAF:

J20/JXX variant:50-100

F16:50-100

J10:36-150

JF17:200-250

other fighters PAF may get: F35,J16/J17

Jagitnatt has well answered your estimations regarding PAF.
This proves that you are pouring more data than they will actually have(PLAAF & PAF)
Even if I consider you right PLAAF in 2025 will have 1200-1300 fighters.

and IAF in 2025 will be 1000+ even if we consider lower limit in 2025
fgfa+pakfa -214-250
amca- 100 (250 planned)
mmrca- 126- 189
su-30 mki- 280
mig-29- 68
mirage 51
tejas 40
tejas mk.2 180(capable of beating f16, j10a.)

[illusion8]

Jagitnatt has well answered your estimations regarding PAF.
This proves that you are pouring more data than they will actually have(PLAAF & PAF)
Even if I consider you right PLAAF in 2025 will have 1200-1300 fighters.

and IAF in 2025 will be 1000+ even if we consider lower limit in 2025
fgfa+pakfa -214-250
amca- 100 (250 planned)
mmrca- 126- 189
su-30 mki- 280
mig-29- 68
mirage 51
tejas 40
tejas mk.2 180(capable of beating f16, j10a.)

PLAAF strength is underestimated, experts say by 2020 or so PLAAF will have 2500 3rd and 4th generation ac's besides their 5th gen fighter.

[Shikari]

PLAAF strength is underestimated, experts say by 2020 or so PLAAF will have 2500 3rd and 4th generation ac's besides their 5th gen fighter.

True but by 2025, they will have to get rid of all their 3rd gen fighters and some of their early 4th gens too, I reckon.

[aimarraul]

This proves that you are pouring more data than they will actually have(PLAAF & PAF)

Actually my estimation is based on current production capacity(>70 J10/J11 a year),it's very likely china will start mass-producing J20 after 2017,ang JXX is only one year behind J20

[Jungibaaz]

@ALL
There is no way any of us can judge what PAF fleet will look like by then.
Unlike other air forces PAF usually keeps their procurement plans incognito and tend get aircraft quick.

PLAAF is something that we dont know about, they plans and goals all are shrouded in mystery

PAF , it most likely will be

JF-17 Block I & II : 250
J-10 : 36
F-16 : 64

And a variant of J-20

250 JF-17? yes very likely, maybe more.
Only 36 J-10? there is a need for almost 150 of them.
Remember that PAF usually takes it slow, small orders at a tie, but multiple orders.
F-16? 64.... seems fair.

After that J-2X in decent numbers and perhaps J-20 in smaller numbers.

[Jungibaaz]

I don't think so.

Why so? please elaborate...

I think it's very likely and by 2025 aimarraul has provided a decent estimate.

Yeah.

IMHO the number wont reach 100, F-16 market will close once US is done with A;stan.

Certainly not 150. Close to 50 is more practical.

Only 50? I\d say 70ish would be the absolute minimum.
150 may seem too optimistic BUT there is a need for 150.

Remember that PAF cut it's Block 52 orders from 75 to just 18. I'm not sure if you know.... but the FC-20 is a project with PAF presence, Chinese only wanted to go through with it IF PAF promised commitment and high numbers in their fleet, so PAF did commit to it, they cut F-16 numbers and went through with FC-20 which is now an export variant of J-10B tailored for PAF.

Your estimate is far too low.

Possible

It seems likely.

F-35? Impossible. They are in a financial mess right now.

F-35? I don't think so.... but not because of financial issues, rather overpricing, relations with US, strings attached and it's capability for the price as compared to Chinese 5th gen platforms.

J-2X in good numbers and small numbers of J-20 are likely. Remember that this financial mess is more to do with security situation, political instability, corruption/mis management of funds. Soon new govt will be elected, US will leave A'stan, Pakistan will rely on China more and energy crisis will dealt with to some extent due to energy development schemes across Pak and regeneration of plans scrapped by the civilian puppet govt.

[Jungibaaz]

PLAAF strength is underestimated, experts say by 2020 or so PLAAF will have 2500 3rd and 4th generation ac's besides their 5th gen fighter.

Mate, Chinese 3rd and 4th gen are world wide considered 4th and 5th gen. It's how they measure generations of FA.
They only have a small number of 3rd gen, it wouldn't make sense for them to produce more when they are enveloping 5th gen tech.

[Jungibaaz]

here is my estimation

PLA:

J20:200-300

J10B:250-300

J10A:200

JXX:150-250

J11B/J16/J17:<200

J11A/Su30MKK:100-150

J15:<100

carrier-based JXX:50-100

JH7&J8<100

By 2025 these estimates seem possible, But I'm not so sure about 250-300 J-10Bs. I don't think they will have so many, by that time they'd be able to produce FGFA.

[uptotrix]

Mate, Chinese 3rd and 4th gen are world wide considered 4th and 5th gen. It's how they measure generations of FA.

Yeah, why wouldn't they be if they continue to steal from everyone else.

[Jungibaaz]

Yeah, why wouldn't they be if they continue to steal from everyone else.

Please open up a new thread, I've busted this bull**** before too.
You must either be ignorant or just trolling.

So please address this in the appropriate thread or Shut the

[naveenp]

Mate, Chinese 3rd and 4th gen are world wide considered 4th and 5th gen. It's how they measure generations of FA.
They only have a small number of 3rd gen, it wouldn't make sense for them to produce more when they are enveloping 5th gen tech.

But the world consider 3rd and 4th gen of Chinese as 3rd and 4th generations only.. just kidding

[naveenp]

here is my estimation

PLA:


J20:200-300

J10B:250-300

J10A:200

JXX:150-250

J11B/J16/J17:<200

J11A/Su30MKK:100-150

J15:<100

carrier-based JXX:50-100

JH7&J8<100




PAF:

J20/JXX variant:50-100

F16:50-100

J10:36-150

JF17:200-250

other fighters PAF may get: F35,J16/J17

Best joke of the Year.

[Jungibaaz]

Best joke of the Year.

Before J-20's existence F-35 was considered an option for PAF after 2025.

[Nirvana]

Hello guys i just want to discuss the future air power of india in 2025 with all the latest jets, missiles, radars. So contribute your thoughts so that we can create a rough picture of our air defense in 2025 and our capabilities to take pak and china at the same time. comparisons are also welcome of india vs china or india vs pak in 2025.

In 2025:
MKI: 272
MMRCA:126
FGFA: 200
TEJAS: 200
AMCA: 100

Total: 898 = 49.8 squadron having 18 jets in one.

Incorrect !!

By 2025

The MKI's Induction Will Be Completed and Total Order is 272 + 40
MMRCA Order will Go Beyond 126 , By 2025 IAF Should Induct 140 - 150 MMRCA's Atleast
LCA Tejas Mk 1 And Mk 2 - Total Order May Go beyond 200 , Even at Production Rate of 16 AC Per Year - 180 -190 Aircrafts Will be Inducted in IAF
FGFA - The First Batch of Single Seaters at Earliest is Expected By 2017 , At Max ~ 100 5th Gen Fighter Could be Inducted in IAF BY 2025
AMCA - It will Be Difficult for AMCA To Hit Production By 2025 , The Prototype Is Expected by 2020

Also ,
51 - Mirage Upgraded
68 - Mig 29 Upgraded
~ 100 - Jaguars Upgraded

Will be In Service In 2025 , Initial Batches of Jaguars May be Retired By Later 2025 Considering Induction Rate of Other Aircrafts

IAF Is Expected to Field 42 Sqdns By 2022 , I see Total 45-47 Sqdns of IAF By 2025